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Huh? I have no idea what that means, I'm trying to figure it out but i'm gonna need a little clarification sorry.
Means Quoted For Truth. Im still learning how this forum works.
Cool, Thanks:-D
I have a suggestion that can solve the problem of the vote not only in the corporation section, as well as in all the other arenas of the site.The concept is logistic, reasonable and it will really help to put the entries in deserved rank places with fair punctuation:-The votes of any user, member or administrator will only have value in a contest if the voter votes in all entries of that contest, otherwise the vote will be annulled.Justification for this proposition: Do you think it is fair and reliable the result of a contest in that you submit two entries and one of them have 170 votes and the other 350 (p.e.)?! And then you observes that the entries of some users have 450, 550 votes. This represents justice? No. Why? Because it will reflect in the overall points, resulting in a system no equalized, but questionable.
TRANSCENDENTalMAN saidDo you think it is fair and reliable the result of a contest in that you submit two entries and one of them have 170 votes and the other 350 (p.e.)?!
You have the voting scheme all wrong. The average vote is what matters, not the total votes cast (unlike some sites which look for up or down votes only).Also, each contest has a "contest history" record on the right side of the main contest page after the contest is completed. You will find that MOST voters cast votes for all entries in a contest. And our typical number of voters is usually less than 100 - I am certain I have never seen 550 voters in a single contest.
[edit -- see the next post - IQ]Could you PM me, please, with some more details?Even the highly publicized Burton/Wolfe contest had less than 100 voters on the top entries. I'd like to see exactly what you are referring to.do it in PM, though, not in this thread.
Hi TM,I will do this in the thread because I got an answer to your question that others might be interested in:Earlier after the changeover to W3K, that "votes" number was actually a total of your points (ie: two people voted 5 and one person voted 1, the "votes" number would say "11".This has since been changed to the number of people who have voted on the entry.This would explain why you saw great differences between entries, as the "vote" column would depend on their score, not the number of voters. It also explains why this no longer occurs.
Then let me to understand:So, if the average vote is what matters, if one or two voters with high Karma who likes of some entries vote(voting) in only 40% of the total entries in a contest, will that reflect or not in the sum average of those entries?I have say in 550 voters in a sense about exemplifying and hypothetical.P.S.: My intention isn't to depreciate this site. I want to help, and post in worth1000 because is incomparable in the quality and reliability and other equal doesn't exist in the world. I want to let it clear. :-)
Hi Mr_IQ,I will try to explain from a different angle:Firstly, what the purpose of some people be voting in few entries of a contest? I don't see any reason.In my point of view obviously that the amount of votes that a person accomplishes in a contest influences the score.Second, let's consider people with high karma or power voters and, let's establish a margin of 50% of the total entries voted by them in a contest. Mathematically, if those voters give high points for the entries in that they accomplished votes, consequently, the remaining entries(the other 50% part less voted) will fall in the overall score unless that those votes be annulled.What do you think?
Take a look at the vote history of any contest.Those people with high karma and powervoters vote 100% of the entries (there are times when they may miss 1 on accident giving like a 97% rated you can see how many were voted on by each voter). These are the people who have high karma because they vote fairly and vote ALL entries.Now, take a look at any of those voters who did not vote on all of the entries, or voted on a very very low percentage (the ones you're saying are screwing up people's scores and placement)- they have no karma or have negative karma - click their profile and take a look. Those who don't vote on all the entries have no karma meaning their votes don't count anyway. So those people don't influence the score anyway.Those voters who actually have a say and whos votes count - they DO vote 100% of entries. Trust the voting system and karma - it's there, it works. Entries place where they should.
Well, people sometimes don't always have time. They only vote on the first page, or they get halfway through voting and get called away. Or some people don't quite "get" the system and only vote on the images they like.The beautiful thing about the karma system is that those people who don't vote well and often don't gain karma. So, in your second example, the people with high karma that vote on those images will vote well, and shouldn't be far higher than the other voters.If the power voters are voting far higher than everyone else, that implies that every single other voter in the contest is both:a) high karma (because their votes count) ANDb) voting poorly (because the 50% "good voting" group you mention is voting much higher than them). This is unlikely to happen because, by definition, having high karma indicates someone is a reasonable voter. Both A and B are unlikely to happen together. If they have only A and not B, then yay! because they are voting well. If they have B and not A, then who cares? Low karma means they don't count. If you ever see someone with both A and B, let me know in a private message.Does that make sense to you?Scores are computed by weighted average. One person can get 10 votes, the other 100 and we can compare them because of the karma weighted scores.Is there a circumstance where this can be seen to be skewed? Sure. Let's make one up: An entry has its only voters be 20 people with 3 karma vote it a 10. Another entry only has 100 power voters vote it a 6.But is that actually going to happen? I won't say never, but I'll say not very often at all, the same way that the coin lands on edge rather than heads or tails not very often at all.I shall summarize an over long post by saying: don't worry about it. Many geekier heads than mine have stressed over this for a long time. Just have fun making art.
Mister_IQ saidMany geekier heads than mine
Ha! An impossibility! You are the stat geek that all lesser stat geeks bow down before. You are the pinnacle, the apex, the quintessential stat geek. My meager stat geekiness is humbled in your presence. I kowtow to you, the ultimate stat geek.